Saiga 5.45 bullet guide install

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Display as a link instead. Clear editor. Upload or insert images from URL. Saiga 5. Reply to this topic Start new topic. Recommended Posts. Posted March 12, Here is a pic of the factory mag on the left compared to a Bulgy Combloc mag. My intention was to create the spacer and report back to Brian as he stated he would provide a correct guide that fit. I just wanted to wring it just to be sure it was correct. I'll take photos and dims later today.

Ok, after shooting today I found the bullet guide was loose! Well it worked great and I did not put locktite on the screw threads. I'm not sure I will have Brian at Dinzag make a new guide? I am worried this one will not stay tight due to the shim. So I pulled it out. I notified Brian about my problem. He advised to either place a washer under the guide or I could send the bullet guide back to him to have additional material removed from bottom half of the bullet guide that extends into the mag.

If material is removed from the guide, mags will seat, but reliable feed will be questionable. I was hoping the shim would be the answer. Brian did not offer to machine a taller guide to me. Now that you have the dims of the shim, maybe he can utilize them to machine the additional height into a bullet guide that will fit our trunions. Brian indicated that I was the third person to bring this issue to his attention. Technically, a taller bullet guide can be reduced to fit taller trunions easier than to add shims to adapt to lower trunions.

One solution that may work but may not be popular is to JB weld the shim to the bullet guide and loctite it on. Can the shim be made to the full length of the part of the bullet guide that rests on the trunion, that is, extending underneath the barrel as the bullet guide does.

If not, perhaps a combination of removing some material from under the bullet guide that extends into the mag and shimming extending under the barrel may be necessary The thing I liked about the shim is the guide looked the same angle wise as when it was installed without the shim.

Of course it was taller with the shim. My problem I noticed with the stock guide was it was to low, in my rifle, to properly feed the rounds. Also it helps having other 5. If he relieved the area to accept a magazine, it would still be to low and the bullet tips would smack into the lower rear of the barrel under the chamber.

If you look at my suck ass photos need a camera that can take good closeups! That is on purpose as the end near the magazine must be slight higher. I have JB Weld the only worry I have is it might make it thicker. This is really dialed in just the way I have it. I know Loctite has a bushing lock liquid as well, might try that also. First I'll get a hold of Brian for a final answer either way.

Maybe I am missing something but it took me all of 5 minutes on a bench grinder and hand file to get the mags to seat properly. As for feeding issues I have put over a thousand rounds through the gun with no feed problems at all, many times we are dumping the mags as fast as we can pull the trigger.

I agree Dinzag should make this right and for what he is charging for that crappy piece of Aluminum these things should install themselves. To me I just make things work, it is way to much hassle to call send it back and wait for a new design, just grind that bitch. It took me all of 5 minutes to file the front lip of 5 magazines and they all fit perfectly with my Dinzag BG as installed. The variations in height in trunions makes it impossible to make a "one size fits all" BG and it took removing as little as the paint, with very little metal from the front lip of the mags with a jeweler's file, no more than a minute each.

Just shot rounds through my converted Saiga using all the mags yesterday with not a single feed or function issue. After modification, the mags fit perfectly in my second Bulgy build with "OEM" curved and riveted BG and also shoot without a hitch. It is not unusual to find variations in trunion height in Ak's.

However, Fluid Power and mine are on the low side. To further verify this,I went ahead and modified the stock saiga 10rd mag to work with dinzag's bullet guide, the cartridge tip would hit the lower edge of the barrel chamber when feeding 3mm. As I said before, this may cause failure to feed, especially as the edge of the bullet guide begins to wear in.

Blkgunlvr, I'm glad I didn't ruin a mag to verify this. It's nice to know it will still work with other AK's and my saiga when I get the bullet guide squared away.

Technically, all surplus mags especially Bulgarian ones should seat reliably in an AK without modification, save for a few like Romanian and Chinese variants. I don't really want to have mags that only work with my gun and others, but not the other way around.

For now, I ordered a bullet guide from K-var for upclose comparison and to tinker on. First, I have to remove that bolt guide on the left and hopefully nothing more I then hand fed rounds no bolt, just used a wooden pencil to push rounds for safety and they would not clear the back of the barrel as noted before.

I then made a shim with aluminum foil to raise the BG to the point I could reliably feed rounds with the pencil. I contacted Brian via e-mail and he claimed he had seen this before and he asked me for dimensions. Next move up to me I have no bad or negative things to say about Dinzag! This has been a process and the balls in my court. As with Fluid Power, I don't want to rant on Dinzag! I don't want to say or infer anything negative about Brian. He provided invaluable and top rate service and advice when I was having issues threading my barrel.

I believe that the solution to my bullet guide issue is the same as Fluid Power's and hence it may be addressed in the same manner machining of a taller b. Brian did offer me to return my b. As Nrider would validate, such a solution will work on Ak trunions like his.

I believe he offered this solution to me prior to speaking to Fluid Power about the shim solution on even lower trunions. I admit, I had to read Fluid Power's first and second post several times before I realized and understood what he was saying.

Thanks Frosty! I just put two in and both did the same thing. I just put them in the mill and took about. Hell, Sorry I never followed up on this! Summer is so busy! After I was sure the spacer was correct, I could not find my damn Loctite Red so I said the hell with it and opened the JB Weld, cleaned all the surfaces and epoxied the spacer and guide in place and screwed in the supplied Allen head screw. Let it cure and Shazam!

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Screw the trunnion in place. We need to check that the magazine feeds properly now that the guide is in place. Go ahead and hand cycle some rounds. If the rounds chamber fine, you're good to go!

I noticed that my cleaning rod would not pass the screw for the bullet guide, so I removed the screw and using my grinding wheel I took off enough that the rod would go past it.

You may need to do some fine filing to get the screw to thread back into the hole. Add a dab of red loctite to the screw and reinsert. Reassemble bolt, and rifle.

Minus refinishing, but I don't think I'm going to do that part in this tutorial. Enjoy your new rifle! You may not have saved much money over buying an SGL or SLR, but you have the satisfaction of knowing you did it yourself! TN, USA. Originally Posted By sdeshazo: If your not on a few goverment list your not having any fun!

ME, USA. Yeah I'm in. Fugitive from the Thought Police. FL, USA. If my thread in the Russian AK forum will be useful, please cannibalize parts of it. This is overdue. Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out. General education should not be mere training of the hands to work, but training of the mind to properly reason.

Quote History. Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer: subscribed. Global Warming Hoax Skeptic before it was cool. WA, USA. Well done nictra. I will be watching for further updates. Selling agent for Algores carbon credit scam. Shooting and Reloading, one hobby feeds the other. SC, USA. This is awesome I assume this will be sticky'd. NY, USA. I'm holding it in my hand. These parts come off rather easily to be honest. ETA: of course that's how I hurt my thing, but I was distracted with a phone call.

That's my excuse anyway. CO, USA. Originally Posted By nictra: I'm holding it in my hand. Democracy and humanitarianism have always been trademarks of the British army View Quote View All Quotes.

Looking good! Thanks for taking the time to do this! OK, USA. Tip: When removing rivets with a hand drill, use a Dremel with grinder or file to get a flat spot on the top of the rivet. This will make it easier to get a centered hole into the rivet head. When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are ruled by criminals. Hey man. This thread jogged my memory. Do you still have the dinzag bullet guide kit I gave you?

It's been a while but honestly thought you still had it? NinerRider and I accidentally bent one when we were seating the GB on a conversion a few years ago. Probably a bit heavy handed on our part but they aren't really all that sturdy IMO Very well written too, nice work Z. UT, USA. I meant thumb. Nice write up!

Will have an update post Christmas. Merry Christmas! Decided that on this sad day I would mod my flat trunnion bullet guide and finish the project.

Updated pics to be loaded soon. ETA 2: Updated. PA, USA. Should be made into a sticky! NC, USA. Ok I will ask it. Why start with a saiga and do ALL that work.

What am I missing? Originally Posted By slappomatt: Ok I will ask it. OH, USA. Do Bulgarian Circle 10 or Polish 5. Originally Posted By nictra: Satisfaction. Sadly those days are gone. Just wondering.

I have an old school saiga. Costs will vary, especially these days. I traded some goods for what I was lacking and had the rest already in the parts bin. I had everything else on hand. This rifle is using a 74 bolt and carrier seeing as how it's near impossible to find a series bolt these days. Typically the parts you will need are as follows:. If you can find these parts these days go ahead and price it out.

As maverick said, you won't be saving any money in this market. Revive with a little eye candy and fun. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. Dave Grossman. Bump for an awesome thread, really wish the mods would sticky this. IN, USA. Guess I need to call around and see if any of the major AK players have any donor parts rifles laying around for cheap. Originally Posted By liezone: Revive with a little eye candy and fun.

This is overdue View Quote I will check it. That's my excuse anyway oops. That's my excuse anyway oops Yup View Quote I do, but it's for a flat trunnion, this rifle is a round trunnion.

Waiting on parts to finish this conversion and tutorial. TX-Zen RussianOptics. Probably a bit heavy handed on our part but they aren't really all that sturdy IMO Very well written too, nice work Z View Quote interesting. I will amend it to take caution. That's my excuse anyway View Quote I mean, do you work at the double entendre sigline material or does it just come naturally for ya? Because i'm telling you, it's epic really. So much win in this thread!

ETA: Decided that on this sad day I would mod my flat trunnion bullet guide and finish the project. View Quote Satisfaction.

For the DIY'ers, great.